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I hate what genshin did for game community, their games have so much potential but are purposely handicapped with psychological tricks to make you spend as much money as you can and its downright disgusting but most people dont talk about it cause pretty characters

I just like playing games simple I’m not a annoying little prick crying about everything in sight

All of your characters being level 89 is driving me actually insane lmao. This was a really great and informative guide on C6 Bennett and you're absolutely right that having fun with the game should always be the main focus of stuff like this

ironically I was thinking about what a Smash Bros gacha game would be like... Sounds fun at first but I don't know how they would even make it work unless they go the AFK Journey route where you're more so pulling for copies/power instead and... nah. 💀 Also, I understand wanting to spend money on ZZZ but not really wanting to because you're already doing so for 3 other gacha games. Luckily I haven't fallen in love with any of the characters so I'm staying F2P... For now lol.

Happily, the only one I'm remotely interested in is Genshin. I briefly dabbled in HSR, but quickly grew bored of the combat system and annoyed at having no idea what anybody was talking about, and that kind of killed any momentum I had in the gacha space. I'm not even playing Genshin at the moment. Taking a break from it to work through my backlog of older games, like the Yakuza series. Never played those until now. Probably won't come back to Teyvat until Natlan launches. Maybe even later than that.

I have to drop hsr for ZZZ because I think I’ll like it more who knows, I might get it back but not for a while

Don't envy f2p, they pay with time, effort and patience.

genshin impact is a good game being run by a money hunrgy team. hsr is a pretty good game being made by a significantly less but still somewhat moeny hungry team. zenlss zone zero.... plz be f2p friendly. and also they take up so much time and no time for non gachas

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As a fast pace combat games enthusiast I only found Genshin and Wuwa to be appealing to me and man playing 2 of these is kinda sluggish. I'd say I enjoy wuwa much more because it's just like genshin but with better combat and more generous. To be fair I never tried HI3 and PGR but they were made before the "raised standards" so I don't think I will ever lay my hands on them

Grew up without a home console system so gacha games were kind of my entry point into gaming weirdly enough. Started with FEH and then became immediately hooked on Genshin in 2020. Juggle about five gachas consistently of varying quality and varying time investment + play AAA and Indie games when I can so my free time is booked lol. Don’t know if I’ll end up sticking with ZZZ but I’m glad the gacha space has more offerings now than just the low-effort cash grab

Ironically enough... AAAA western devs are falling behind with their own shitty practices and broken games, pushing players more and more away from them and going for more indie devs and others. I don't blame people favouring Hoyoverse games despite being a gacha because you can actually see the effort and the budget that went into the game. Plus Hoyoverse regularly donates to charities and even funded nuclear fusion research at one point. You'll never see Ubisoft, EA, Blizzard, etc. do that lol

For better or worse, Hoyo is REALLY GOOD at their craft. …That being said, I think I’ll stick with Star Rail. I don’t need TWO Hoyo gachas in my life

I'm probably betting there's a Chinese dev working on a gacha game that copies Granblue Fantasy Relink and puts it in an open world. Basically instead of switching in and out your entire party is on the field controlled by AI and you can switch in battle. Aether Gazer meets Genshin Impact.

1:26 rookie numbers. Try 15 Gacha games 😅

I'll never argue that hoyoverse makes low quality games, but hoyoverse is actively hostile towards it's players and is using every psychological trick in the book to keep you playing. Play on a PS and see how quickly the whole system falls apart without all of the manipulation. It's barely even a game without all the the timers and resource restrictions.

still not gonna play it

I'm a F2P but I feel the same way. Not based on spending too much money, but rather on spending too much time. I don't have all the time in the world to play all these amazing games so I wish some of them would suck so I don't feel like I'm missing out on a great game. To be fair that kinda did happen with WW for me.

Funnily enough my genshin and honkai accounts got hacked and all my years of progress and money investment got wiped so only game I can play is ZZZ edit: After seeing that firefly trailer now i wanna try and pick up the pieces of my honkai account for her 😭

I wish there were EVEN MORE games at the same quality of Genshin/HSR/ZZZ/Wuwa so the playerbase has more variety and competition is only a good thing for the consumers.

Why is there a little raccoon on the progression bar hahahaha it’s such a cute detail lol

Its simple. Gacha games innovated. Western AAA (traditional) games did not, and only got worse (AC shadows comes to mind). If western devs refuse to innovate for short term goals, gacha games are going to become a mainstay a long time. Think: if more games innovated their monetization the same way Warframe did. Imagine a Hoyoverse game with Warframe's monetization. I think a game like that would make millions, and compete gacha games.

Yeah, I'm stopping WUWA and I'm not gonna start any other gacha games. This is it. These games do really ruin my life

We're in a point of time where Gacha games have more effort and love put into it than most western AAA games... What a time of all times.

I know it’s not required to play these games, like if you don’t want to play a game it’s ok to do so. But, the way they’ve done it so that if you don’t play, you’ll feel fomo is just… Like we’re getting gacha games shoved down our throats at a rapid pace- I wouldn’t be surprised if hoyo are already planning on the next game after zzz.

Funny you mention feh because it was my first and only gacha for well over 5 years. I didn't have any money to spend at that time, so I have the mindset of "spending money = BAD" Eventually I picked up genshin around 3 years ago and still played feh, except now I have money. And I STILL don't really spend it either - it took me 700 days of playtime to even fork out the $5 for a Welkin. And in feh it was even worse, I didn't spend money until Brave Roy Resplendent got announced because only my son is capable of making me buy the god forsaken feh pass. I didn't even buy BP or a Genesis crystal top up in Genshin until recently too, mostly for C4 Wanderer (I still play Heizou more, but my inner delusional shipper said I have to have both C6 + well optimized and now I have the #9 140ER Wanderer, someone get me out of here). In HSR I haven't spent money because I didn't feel compelled to. Same goes to WuWa, and same will probably apply to ZZZ. Maybe I've just been F2P for too long, but I just don't like spending too much money.

I only do the premium BPs the first 1 or 2 cycles on these games now, the value drops off a lot once you have decent teams. The gem dole is hard to turn down though, but even 3 of those is only equivalent to one WoW sub

For the first question: B bc I’m a collector 🤷🏻‍♀️

just don't pay for it no matter what you tell me there is nothing forcing you to paying for either just stop it

HSR gives more rewards to players because they are releasing new characters 2 times as fast as Genshin. This means that "per 1 character" in HSR you are actually getting less than in Genshin and that it is easier in Genshin to get most of characters that you want, while in HSR it can be done only with huge-huge luck (especially as f2p or low spender).

On the other hand: now "full game 110$ or cut version 70$ (and not 60$ anymore), also it is bugged, no updates and very safe - so no unique mechanics or content, also it may have lootboxes and anti cheat with experience/money boosters (like in Ubisoft games) because leveling is very slow and grindy in your single player game, also it is not playeable offline anymore because of anti-cheat". So "good made gacha games" - are usually simply better than modern AAA games. Also in gacha's Lootboxes are usually regulated by laws, so there almost no gacha games without pity system, etc. Unlike FIFA/NBA/etc where you can spend 1000000 pulls and 20000$ and still not get the character you like. Only alternative - is to go play small indie games with unique mechanics, with normal price and usually with updates and stuff. And gacha games usually free (even tho will try their best to get your money - especially from people with low self control or gambling problems), and the main problem in those games - is doing dailies, especially if you play 5+ of them and don't want to miss stuff. It eats so much free time. I mean still less than oldschool MMO's, but time today is more valuable than it was before.

need money? slap lux skin - riot probably

I kinda hate WuWa community when they call me mint picker when I’m just giving a constructive criticism/feedback to the game without shitting on them 😫

if anything, playing genshin has made me less likely to play another gacha game. Not only did it set high bar, but it also taught me that I don't actually care about 'gacha' at all. Its just another monetization method with no real inherent appeal and I cant see it as a genre in and of itself.

Other game companies have already been doing this. Lootboxes are gacha. The Counter Strike packs are gacha. It's been in the industry for over a decade now, there are just the companies that excel at making you spend and the ones that come across as "too forceful", like EA.

I play this many games All of hoyoverse Both Kuro Titles A waifu shooter And 2 Rhythm games I admit I have a problem

im so sad zzz realeases right after summer is about to end :((

So far I've been able to stay away from more time consuming games. Genshin has been there since the start. I avoided HSR because since it's turn based I guessed powercreep was gonna be more of a thing. I avoided Wuthering Waves because I don't need to play 2 Genshins. With ZZZ I'm expecting it to have very low daily time requirements becauae it's more of an instanced-based action game. Withour any sort of exploration it should be easy to keep up with it.

I actually like that there are so many good quality games nowadays. I only play Genshin so all it means for me is that the bar keeps rising and that Genshin (might hopefully) is forced to get better. Also the fact that when I some day in the future do play a new game it'll probably be very good due to the high bar that's being set rn

I’m a Genshin girl first and foremost. My first gotcha….. Also play SR and WuWa 😂 yes to the Welkin and BP for Gen. Pass in SR… Though may not do BP in WuWa this month….will see. Will also try ZZZ….. hope I don’t like it 😅

At this point I just let my resin or resin equivalent cap and play the games when I want to. I also told myself I’m only going to spend money on 1 game a month and it used to be genshin, now it’s hsr, I don’t think I’ll ever spend on wuwa tbh.

i started playing genshin 2 years ago and now i will soon have 3 gacha games under my belt (genshin, hi3, zzz) (i play project sekai so technically 4 but it's more of a rhythm game than a gacha game imo)

I came in expecting it to be a joke botw ripoff but here we are (botw ripoff but high quality)

I hear ya. I forget the name, but there's a game affectionately called "Genshinframe" and I hate how good it looks. Like you said, it's not just that the games have gacha mechanics. It's that they're solid, _multiplatform_ games that have gacha mechanics. I hate playing mobile games for a variety of reasons - if Genshin, WuWa, ZZZ, and whatever else didn't have a PC or console release, I wouldn't have given these games a second thought. I imagine many of my fellow Americans feel the same. But since the US is a pretty big market for gaming despite the stigmas against it to this day, who's to say the EAs, ActiBlizzes, Ubisofts, Nexons, and Konamis of the world won't try building their games around lootboxes (or worse: lootboxes _and stamina)_ again?

what if Animal Crossing into gacha game despite AC: Pocket Camp exist? it's not like it's a Hoyo project right now, right?

one day you will die and youll realise you wasted your life playing mediocre slop games made to extort your money and you will cry for the time lost

5:00 Genshin is from China COVID was from China..... Am I cooking?

I’m f2p and I never really felt like spending money on a the games, probably since I save up enormous amounts of primos every time and only have a few characters that I really like. I also just think it’s a hassle to raise the characters so I’m less inclined To pull

I think it’s also crazy that these gacha games have less predatory monetization than a lot of other modern live service games where content will straight up be locked behind a paywall, the best way to play is like 5-15 a month on welkin and maybe battlepass. Plus there’s more new content every update than I usually see from AAA “live service” games. Gacha games are becoming live service done right and idk how I feel about that. I still prefer normal one time purchase games with 0 extra monetization, but if you’re gonna do a “live service” I feel like you need to offer at least half the value these gacha games offer. Also not to say gacha games aren’t predatory because they are for gambling addicts or whales and other gacha games are way worse than hoyo but imo it’s getting better not worse with time

you guys can just choose not to play you know it aint that hard, i wanted to play wuwa too, i did the first few weeks but i realized playing wuwa and genshin takes too much of my time and i dont like that, i had to choose between the two and I chose genshin and as sad as i am that i couldnt pull for jinshi ultimately it had to be done for my own good